Lake Havasu, AZ, get together 2014 - UPDATED ... AND THE WATER IS FINE!

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Lake Havasu, AZ, get together 2014 - UPDATED ... AND THE WATER IS FINE!

#1 Post by scoob » Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:42 am

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We, at Sage Marine, are looking at getting out of Colorado and go sailing on Lake Havasu, AZ, during (or part of) the week of 10 February 2014.

Nothing fancy, just going someplace warmer with liquid water during the winter.

So ... who is interested incoming to Lake Havsu this February? Please post or send Dave a note (dave {at} sagemarine.com)

One concern that has been shared about Lake Havasu as a destination for Feb 2014 is a report 'very low water levels'. I, meaning Dave, has been researching the water level projection for Lake Havau for the month of Feb. '14. So far i have not been able to find one government agency that is planning a 'great water draw down' of the the Lake. Thus far the report is the lake will be at normal levels for February.

What is 'normal' - between 444' and 446'. These are the same water levels folks experienced in 2009, 2010 and 2011 sailing/launching/retrieving sailing Lake Havasu. In 2012 and 2013 the lake was at 448'-449'. In 2009 and 2010 and 2011 there was not problem launching a fixed-keel M17 at 'site-6'. in 2011 there was no challenge launching Jerry's Sage 17 GOSHAWK.

I am still calling gov't agencies to find where the official statement of 'radically low water levels' comes from ... again, at the time I am posting this message, no organization that has an interest in Lake Havasu knows of or has plans for any 'water let down'.

More on the above to come.
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#2 Post by Jerry » Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:50 pm

I be there! I'm assuming we'll hold a couple of informal races and a fish fry on a beach? Would you like me to sing for you?
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#3 Post by scoob » Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:47 pm

found historical daily water level reports for Lake Havasu! took a lot of 'search term' attempts.

link to all the date beginning 2000 to current -

http://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/archives.cfm


so in Feb 2009

date - water level (ft)
9 - 447.41
10 - 447.55
11 - 447.63
12 - 447.78
13 - 447.65
14 - 447.53
15 - 447.16
16 - 446.98
17 - 446.9
18 - 447


Feb 2010

9 - 448.91
10 - 449.03
11 - 449.2
12 - 449.16
13 - 448.84
14 - 448.36
15 - 447.76
16 - 447.24
17 - 446.67
18 - 446.54


Feb 2011

9 - 447.61
10 - 447.65
11 - 447.61
12 - 447.58
13 - 447.69
14 - 447.96
15 - 448.11
16 - 448.19
17 - 448.17
18 - 448.12


Feb 2012

9 - 448.24
10 - 448.28
11 - 448.4
12 - 448.46
13 - 448.51
14 - 448.93
15 - 448.81
16 - 448.8
17 - 448.77
18 - 448.73


Feb 2013

9 - 448.55
10 - 448.51
11 - 448.45
12 - 448.29
13 - 448.19
14 - 448.30
15 - 448.27
16 - 448.24
17 - 448.37
18 - 448.32
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#4 Post by scoob » Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:07 am

after many phone calls i did reach someone that knows what is going on!

Parker Dam IS having maintenance done that will require the Lake Havasu to be drawn down lower than it's usual low. usual 'low' is around 445. the lowering for dam maintenance will require the lake to be about 3/4' lower .. so around 444'.

the 'draw down' is scheduled to begin early December and continue through mid-Feb. around the 14th of Feb. Lake Havasu should be filling .. but this depends on how the repair/construction goes.

details on the project are suppose to be linked off of this page -

http://www.usbr.gov/lc/riverops.html


but .. the information was removed as it is being updated. a new link should be up 'shortly'.

(if you look at this page you can find information about the current and historical lake levels.)


so ... is this to little water? more to come.


PS: amazing that multiple gov't groups cannot communicate about this, especially as they all have responsibility for the lake and river system.
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#5 Post by ndorf » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:35 pm

Becky and I have been thinking about a weeklong summer sailing adventure to Flathead Lake, MT. If not in 2014, maybe 2015. Depends upon how my fortunes (or lack thereof) go as we get into next year.

Looks like an absolutely beautiful place, a great sailing lake, and lots to do on land as well. Cabins and larger homes for rent, lakeside, with mountain & lakeview decks and private docks. Bigfork area probably first choice. A quaint "Western" town with character, things to do and see, restaurants. I'm thinking probably July or August, but maybe late June.

Drive up Sat & Sun, stay Mon-Fri, then drive home the following Sat & Sun. Sail when you want, kick back and relax when you want. There are a number of launching ramps, but imagine being able to walk out from your cabin right to your boat...

If sufficient interest a 6 bd 5 ba home with dock and many amenities can be had and shared and a fun party atmophere with an opportunity for group dinners either in or out on the town. Smaller rustic cabins also available.

Plus at least 1 day to explore Glacier National Park will be a must.

In my college days I used to organize Mammoth Mountain ski weekends that way. Get 6-12 people together, split the cost on a big cabin, and have a party.

Further brainstorming welcome...

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#6 Post by scoob » Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:46 am

Lake Havasu summary water levels averaged by month -

2009 - 446.08
2010 - 446.29
2011 - 447.29
2012 - 447.1
2013 - 448.13

source - http://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/hourly/hav-elv.html

looking at the above and looking at the 'day by day' reports a few posts ago, the lake levels do run higher each each year. the 'up' curve is really a 'bump' caused by the 448' to 449' high levels the lake operators have provided during the second week of February (see multi-year day-to-day reports - http://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/archives.cfm )

the question remains is there a ramp on Lake Havasu that can launch a 2' or less draft boat when the water is <445'?
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#7 Post by sal » Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:01 pm

I think that perhaps some clarity might be called for.

What Dave is suggesting is that some are having an informal gathering at Lake Havasu in February. This discussion has been around for a while. This is an informal meet and has nothing to do with the Sailing event, the HPCC (Havasu Pocket Cruisers Convention).

HPCC was created by Sean Mulligan. He began an event in February for sailors to enjoy sailing at a time when many are in areas too cold to sail. It was a brilliant idea. With great effort, Sean and his wife Jo, grew the event over the next few years into what I think is the best trailer sailing venue in the US. For which we thank him. Sean has decided to take 2014 off and postpone his event until 2015.

Some of us really enjoyed taking the week off and traveling to Havasu for a sail in February. We've developed friendships and learned much from Sean's event. A few of us have decided to go down to Havasu next February, meet and sail as a respite from the cold. There is nothing to it more than that. It has been suggested that Sage might be intruding on the HPCC, or trying to create a new event. No so. We have neither the time or interest in anything more than what has been suggested. We know how hard Sean and Jo worked to create the HPCC and we wouldn't want to hurt the event in any way.

Next year (2015) we would also be pleased to attend Sean's event as we have done for the past 4 years....if he'll permit us. (I believe he is pissed at me right now). So Sean, if you're reading this, have no concerns. You are the best at what you do and and we're pleased to support you.

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#8 Post by sal » Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:36 am

We're still planning to go to Havasu in February, but there are some new developments.

We were told that the lake would be low due to Dam management (from Sean). We were trying to see how low to see if we could launch Sages Sean Mulligan recently posted that the lake was at 445.63. That's lower than any of the history that Dave was able to find. Sean said that the lake at 445 was too low to retrieve a boat they were tying to take out of the water. As Sean mentioned, it would be a waste of time to go there if we can't launch. We're still hoping that the water level will rise enough by February to be able to launch.

Dave, Gail and I will be going to the AYC "Wrinkle boat & Potter" event in Lake Pleasant in January. We'll stop in Havasu on the way back to see if we can launch a Sage. In the meanwhile, we'll watch info on lake levels and keep you posted here.

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#9 Post by Boi-sea » Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:26 pm

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#10 Post by scoob » Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:59 am

water report for Lake Havasu: 0800 6 Jan. '14 - 445.93'

for much of 5 Jan. '14 the level was just above 446'.

the lowest low was 444.83' on 18 Dec. '13. the average height over the past 15 days has been about 445.39'.

local sailor reports are:
  • water may be on the rise ... though the operations www-site still states that work continues on Parker Dam.
  • Site Six launch ramp is barrackaded closed.
  • Lake Havasu Marina's ramp is open .... very shallow.
  • Windsor (AZ State Park) is open and usable for shallow draft boats.
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